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It's sort of fake transparency in a sense. >> what she means is that ross' stake in navigator is held through an impenetrable shell structure. shell companies hold about a third of navigator's stock, currently worth more than $176 million. how much of that stock belongs to ross himself is impossible to establish because the shares are held by two funds which unturn are held by four other companies. >> they are hidden like mutrush caw dolls are hidden one within the other. what that can do is limit liability. it can obscure the ownership. it can make it more difficult to trace who is responsibl...

Criticism that they've received so far. and also admitting that a lot of the questions that the congressmen have, that you at home may have he can't necessarily answer and as our panel has discussed, really, maybe had just played it safe. keep it simple. limit liability, all these strategies. we're also seeing strategies on the politics side. we're seeing some aggressive talk from the republicans. let's take a listen to representative joe barton. what he had to say about that $20 billion escrow account. take a listen. >> i'm ashamed of what happened in the white house yesterday. i think it is ...