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Have, just being a line assistant. >> you walk in that office that both of you ran and you look down the hall and you've got a room where michael cohen, the president's lawyer, spilled the beans. >> right. >> and you've got another room where mob bosses and their captains, as you write in the book, were debriefed about a whole life of crime. what are the scariest people you dealt, and to those of us who don't understand how this works, how do you not get scared when you're dealing with mobsters? >> sometimes we do. we've had assistants who have had protection provided to them by the marshal se...

Department as attorney general and head of criminal division, and then when he left office after bill clinton was elected, he was working in private practice and really just missed the mission of the justice department. so he came back to the washington, d.c. u.s. attorney's office as a line assistant, and that would be equivalent of being a general and signing up to be a private because you want to be there when you're storming the beaches of normandy. who does that but somebody with humility and is all about the j job. >> it -- i think he loves his country and loves the justice

I'm not sure the government can win this case. a lot of time when you're a line assistant, go out there to bring an indictment. a lot of sometimes people do it to get great press. ultimately these guys are a awful, awful long way from getting a conviction. uma: you agree with that, arthur. >> i wouldn't be surprised, two years from now, year-and-a-half from now, page 38 of newspaper there is a little thing, saaro pleads guilty gets probation. >> correct. >> once the evidence is put to the test it can not withstand scrutiny of a jury. >> this case will start with a bang but go out with a whimpe...