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And the president had to deny this until they had to admit that oh, yes, this is true, they are spying in america. >> one of the things that i think has come out as the picture of snowden gets better. at first i had the thought well, could any dude at nsa get this stuff? and what emerges is, this guy is incredibly sophisticated. it was not the case that any kind of line worker at the nsa could have had access to what edward snowden had. edward snowden, it seems to me is a particularly brilliant operator. it is the question of what the data control -- it is not clear to me, what are the policy ...

Unions. not about collective bargaining. this is solely focused on their relationship. shouldn't people have the opportunity to say they want to belong or not? >> michigan could soon be a right-to-work state. will others follow? joining us now is uaw member and spokesman for the michigan freedom-to-work coalition brian penebaker. you are a line worker right now, correct? >> that's right i'm assembly worker at the sterling axle plant in sterling heights. >> tell us what your reaction is to governor snyder's willingness, desire and push to make michigan a right-to-work state? >> well, what he sa...

The college in west virginia, a special place in my heart for those people. so it's inherently tough, and they do us a service, a national security issue. but having said all that, let's propose i think a different idea, a new idea, that hasn't been discussed. which is empowering of the workers a little bit more. >> how? >> to be regulators. in japan, when they were beating us in the automotive industry, they had the ability to basically slow down the production of cars. they could basically pull things to a stop. >> a line worker could intervene. >> exactly. >> and you're saying empower the l...

Are not that many people in there because they don't have disposable income. there will be no economic growth with the select few holding on to $1.8 trillion. they need to get off the sidelines and quit outsourcing american jobs. reubenstein says the real economic growth is coming to emerging markets. >> in the year 2014 for the first time the emerging markets' gdp will surpass that of the developed market so the world is moving to the place where emerging markets have much economic growth and size. >> including china, india and brazil. >> china, india and brazil, the three most visible of the...