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Direct knowledge to the trump tower moscow negotiations told buzz feed earlier this yeerd that cohen was in frequent contact with foreign individuals and that some of these individuals had knowledge of or played a role in 2016 election meddling." this comes, of course, from the same reporting team that six months ago wrote this piece that almost matches word for word today's indictment. they got it completely and totally right. here to talk about all of it, one of those reporters, jason leopold. everything you said shows up today. the reporting you have tonight, what was this plan and how far ...

The president calls collusion -- no collusion. we're lining everything up and connecting the dots with respect to that connection. then the question really becomes how does the house of cards fall or not? i think at this point it's really unlikely it won't fall. but i think the two big pieces for this president would be his family, number one, and his organization. >> yup. >> if he's going to pull a lever, i don't think it's going to be around michael cohen yet. >> kim wehle and ben wittes, thanks very much. the latest in an unthinkable series of lies over many years by the president and jus...

He's threatened to do it is much, much longer than the list of things that he's actually done. >> what do you think of that, kim? >> well, i think as a factual matter, the mueller investigation and what's being -- what we know publicly, we're getting close and closer to what the president calls collusion -- no collusion. we're lining everything up and connecting the dots with respect to that connection. then the question really becomes how does the house of cards fall or not? i think at this point it's really unlikely it won't fall. but i think the two big pieces for this president would be hi...

Robert mueller's question about the trump moscow project was basically identical to what cohen admitted today in court. in other words cohen is a liar who is telling the truth on this and also the president is too. talk more about how the president is handling this, i'm joined by kim wehle. ben, i'll start with you, you just wrote a piece on the law fare blog, how to read michael cohen's latest plea, what is your takeaway about the import of today, the president's answers he submitted to mueller? >> that's one of the big questions, you know, if the president submitted answers that are, you kno...

Leopold. everything you said shows up today. the reporting you have tonight, what was this plan and how far did it get? >> well, first, thank you, chris, i appreciate that and the kind words. the plan was discussed prior to january 2016 when michael cohen said that all of the negotiations related to trump tower moscow ended. felix sater is the one who said he came up with the idea for giving vladimir putin -- or handing this penthouse to vladimir putin as a way to entice oligarchs into purchasing the rest of the apartments in trump tower moscow in which trump organization and michael cohen and...