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The momentum out of the august town hall meetings and so fa forth to try to capitalize on that message, they think they have really marked some territory here. >> mike, democrats, even among themselves -- it's not just liberals versus conservatives or moderates. it's house versus senate. and all of them against the white house. there's a lot of concern about the white house leadership on this. >> and there ought to be. republicans have done very effectively, i think, anectdotalily, is that they've injected the fear element into this issue. it is hard to understand. it's so complex. they've mad...

I don't think that you need to have worked deeply in washington for decades and go in and actually make a difference. and how much experience did president obama have in washington? >> not very much, and we're paying for it. >> that's the point. >> and ben, one of the reasons why government is complex is because politicians have made it complex, because you know what? they've tried and put up so many things to hide payoffs, look at solyndra scandal. they've made this thing much more complex than it needs to be. maybe we need a politician to clean it up. >> life is just very complex. do you ser...