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Testifying with immunity his now former account want said she helped paul manafort and his former associate rick gates commit tax fraud by falsifying documents. prosecutors are trying to prove manafort evaded taxes on millions while working for a pro-russia party in ukraine and then faked loan documents once the cash dried up. with us for more tonight ken delaney in our nbc news intelligence and national security reporter and eric tucker, justice department reporter for the associated press. gentlemen, welcome to you both. ken, how effective was today? and part of what's getting the press toda...

A key witness today in the trial for president trump's former campaign chairman admitted she cooked the books in an effort to help paul manafort hide money. testifying with immunity his now former account want said she helped paul manafort and his former associate rick gates commit tax fraud by falsifying documents. prosecutors are trying to prove manafort evaded taxes on millions while working for a pro-russia party in ukraine and then faked loan documents once the cash dried up. with us for more tonight ken delaney in our nbc news intelligence and national security reporter and eric tucker, ...

Find it's ridiculous for a jury to be expected -- that's not sequestered, that may not buy this scapegoating tactic -- that everyone is against you and you have no knowledge this is going on. everyone out of the goodness of their heart and against their licenses decided i'll help you commit a crime because i don't want you not have that jacket. >> he said i didn't know i was doing it. the accountant is admitting they did it on his behalf. you're supposed to believe the accountant didn't come back and say just checking this doesn't add up. that the account would take that on themselves. >> so w...

Documents, the loan documents, the papers, anything that would have been filled out as cohen went to the bank or went through the process of trying to obtain the loan. we one looking at that and studying it and see if there's any misstatements, any kind of bank fraud. the other thing that's kind of interesting here, arounaron, wew that rod rosenstein, whose kind of overseeing both of these prosecutions, although one's been run obviously out of new york, he's told the president that at least as of now he's not a target of an investigation, certainly will mueller investigation. but he'd know abo...

And said he did not know about it. what are the legal implications of this to you? >> i think what is interesting is the information that is coming out about a money trail. as a prosecutor we would subpoena all kinds of documents. the loan documents, the papers, anything that would have been filled out as cohen went to the bank or went through process of trying to obtain the loan. so we would look at that and study that and see if there's misstatements or bank fraud. and the other thing that is interesting here, erin. we know that rod rosenstein who is other seeing both, he told the president ...