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>> yes, that's absolutely true. it's against the law for the nsa to record and monitor u.s., americans' phone calls. it's against the law, and the law is very clear on this. think about what would have to happen here. again, a lock box of only phone numbers, no names, no addresses, it would mean the nsa would have to conspire with the fbi, would have to conspire with both parties in congress on the intelligence committees and the oversight functions in the executive branch to do something beyond what the law very narrowly allows. i just find that implausible. >> i ask you that because there wa...

Later was under at least preliminary investigation by the fbi. without the ability to plug that number into that database, if those numbers didn't exist, we would never be able to know the connection between who he was talking to in san diego and who that guy in san diego was talking to in new york. now, some might argue, well, i don't care. i just don't want those phone numbers without names and without addresses in a lock box at all, then we need to say, well, what is the consequence of not having that information? was that plot worth it? was stopping -- and some estimates are as high as 1,0...

For the folks that are trying to kill americans here at home and plotting overseas to kill americans at home, but i do think it helps because, as people get a better feeling that this is a lock box with only phone numbers, no names, no addresses in it, we've used it sparingly. it is absolutely overseen by the legislature, the judicial branch, and the executive branch, has lots of protections built in, that if you can see just the number of cases where we've actually stopped a plot, i think americans will come to a different conclusion than all the misleading rhetoric i've heard over the last f...

This is a lock box with only phone numbers, no names, no addresses in it, we've used it sparing sparingly. it is absolutely overseen by the legislature, the judicial branch, and the executive branch, has lots of protections built in, that if you can see just the number of cases where we've actually stopped a plot, i think americans will come to aative conclusion than all the misleading rhetoric i've heard over the last few weeks. >> i want to play you something from senator mark udal. as you know, i'm sure, he's a member of the senate intelligence committee, and he was talking about these two ...

Those numbers didn't exist, we would never be able to know the connection between who he was talking to in san diego and who that guy in san diego was talking to in new york. now, some might argue, well, i don't care. i just don't want those phone numbers without names and without addresses in a lock box at all, then we need to say, well, what is the consequence of not having that information? was that plot worth it? was stopping -- and some estimates are as high as 1,000 people killed if the plot had been successful in new york. i argue with all the privacy protections -- >> is what you're ar...