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Was he known to be a potential terrorist? yes. could they have stopped it? obviously not. this is a problem with people who act alone without the conspiracy of other people, hardly a way to interject them. they have interjected five major terrorist plots including one in which islamic extremist and terrorists behead australians in the heart of sydney. mostly a has one the best records in the best intelligence services on islamic extremist in their own country. as we have seen in our own country, hard to see individual lone wolf terrorists. martha: as you point out, australia has been very aggr...

We haven't been given that word just yet. how then is australia trying to manage what could potentially be the threat of a lone wolf when you are trying to keep the public calm in a country where you have already passed laws where you. go fight in iraq and syria, we will keep an eye on you we will prevent you from coming back to this country. >> first let me say counterterrorism unit and eunice in australia are terrific and one of our closest allies in the world. what we saw was the changing face of terrorism that it is not necessarily coming from a member or official member of isis or any oth...

On terror. bill: the reports about australians going to iraq and syria to join isis. how has the australian government military dealt with that? >> particularly causing a concern. it was a high-profile muslim cleric who took his children to syria and posted a picture of his 4-year-old child shielding decapitated head. it's a small number of people trying to generate maximum [inaudible] bill: three months ago you had a call for lone wolf attacks in australia. is this in that category?