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About something he supposedly said to his girlfriend about debbie. dave said we won't be rid of that f'ing bitch until he is dead. >> i might have. but i don't remember that. and that certainly does not mean that i'm going to go kill somebody. >> there was his own son conrad who after all believed he was guilty and told police he saw dave and girlfriend mary share a celebratory toast after debbie's disappearance. conrad, said dave, just didn't get it. >> whenever we open a bottle of wine, we always raise our glasses and say cheers. it's just a tradition. we were not toasting anybody's anything...

Impetus for the acceleration, i guess you would say, of the relationship. >> though debbie's big sister wasn't sure what she saw in him. >> he seemed very quiet. very opposite of my sister. >> then before long conrad arrived and chelsa and savannah. >> i still remember christmass where my brother and i would run around and deliver gifts to everybody. everybody was getting along. those were some happy memories there. >> sadly, a lot of unhappy ones, too. >> pretty much from when i can remember, fighting and arguing were pretty routine. >> after nearly nine years this marriage, like so many othe...

Family's almond groves. >> i think they both wanted to have a family. i think that was like the impetus for the acceleration, i guess you would say, of the relationship. >> though debbie's big sister wasn't sure what she saw in him. >> he seemed very quiet. very opposite of my sister. >> then before long conrad arrived and chelsa and savannah. >> i still remember christmases where my brother and i would run around and deliver all the gifts to everybody. everybody was getting along. definitely some happy memories there. >> sadly, a lot of unhappy ones, too. >> pretty much from when i can rememb...

>> but they did not. no debbie hawk, not anywhere. >> there were some drag marks, some kind of smear marks leading out to the garage where they stopped. >> and debbie's van was gone, too. >> my initial reaction was, oh, my god. what has happened? who could have done this? >> sure. the girls ran to a neighbor's house. conrad called 911. >> we're in my mom's room and her bathroom, and there's blood on the carpet. >> after the initial shock of it, i start to be reasonable and think, wait a minute, let's not overreact here. clearly she cut her hand with a knife and she was bleeding and raced out t...

Willing to admit early on. >> even at that age i could definitely see, yeah, the water was about to boil over. >> kids were 9, 8 and 4 when the divorce was finalized in 2000. young conrad, chelsa and savannah learned how to navigate the choppy waters known all too well by children of divorce. >> they just couldn't talk to each other really. i tried to step in and help resolve that. >> you were kind of the mediator in a way. >> yeah. >> kind of a tough role for a kid to play? >> i think it was easier to be the mediator than to have them yelling at each other on the phone. >> living apart, said ...