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And labeling them terrorists and it did ultimately, obviously, isis grew and he released extremists from syrian prisons and kind of created the enemy that he was originally calling the peaceful protesters. >> president assad best understands the language of force. i don't think he is worried his credibility when he tells falsehoods, when he tells lies. to him it's all about balance of power. the balance of military forces on the ground, that's how he operates many that's how the syrian government operates. it's a police state. >> is it clear to you right now what the trump administration polic...

Be seen. we will have more on that guess when the secretary of state meets face to face with putin and they try and discuss this. make no mistake about it, this is not something that was expected. many of the political supporters of the president have said, this wasn't what we wanted. this isn't what you promised. the russian president sort of saying, this is very much at odds with campaign rhetoric. if there's going to be a change, if this isn't just a deviation but a change or a transformation, it's going to need to happen from the secretary of state, from the president himself, from the nat...

Experience in places like iraq, afghanistan, yemen. you go from the dictator to chaos. >> go ahead. >> that's not what i was suggesting. i appreciate that. you are talking forced regime change. boy, have we learned some really bad lessons about doing that. with the power of diplomacy with forcing the russians to do some things with mr. assad, with information and perhaps with some type of federation -- i don't know. i'm not a politician. but i do know there might be a better way as opposed to forced regime change. don't misunderstand, i am not into a regime change. we have seen the power that ...

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