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That structure the people he's hired. that's where this attack is coming from. this is one of those examples of why it's important in the judiciary process to not only act with propriety, but to be above the appearance of impropriety and that's been sacrificed here. >> norm, your response, would you agree with ken or not at all? and as you answer, do you think there is any sort of potential here that president trump who has the ability to fire the special counsel here, do you think based upon everything we have seen on fox, and from some republicans, is he considering doing that? >> well, i ha...

President's words and mick my own conclusions. you've made conclusions as well. >> so your conclusion is it's against donald trump but it wasn't when barack obama said it. >> i've been listening. that's basically my job. and i hear ben saying it was clearly donald trump referencing donald trump. and joshua saying it's up to the american people to be the ones to decide who they think president obama the inference was about. needless to say, thanks for being on. it was a healthy discussion. so i appreciate the extra time. thanks so much. ben and joshua. thank you. coming up next here, californ...

Bipartisan applause by mueller when he took this job and done it in ha objective way. there was an issue that arose as to one of the investigators. bob mueller did the right thing. he referred it to the ig. has to do with the man's text messages. a career fbi senior one and removed him from the investigation. what more sign of independence do you need than that? i've written extensively with the butcher a, so it's bipartisan, brooke, that all of these conflict claims is a make way. they go no where. so i believe it's a very independent, fair investigation. if you look at the charges you can se...

It just won't stop. now six wildfires burning in southern california. these two new fires, the lilac is in san diego county, and liberty just north of there. so together all six account for 160,000 acres of scorched earth. there is some good news. crews are starting to make progress on containing the massive infernos in l.a. and ventura counties. but some of the thoroughbred seemed hopeless. set free from their barns to escape. trainers say they report hearing them scream as they race away. lost one. and little red feather racing

Again, i stress that the president learned about this, or at least vladimir putin expressed, about the plane crash during that call about sanctions. >> yeah. well, it's not going to help the relationship, which is already on the outs. we've instituted new and stronger sanctions. it will be interesting to see, by the way, whether or not the europeans come along now, that there were europeans, shot down by a russian-made missile. they've been reluctant to go along with us, putting sanctions on russia because they have very lucrative oil and gas contracts with russia. but now, they may change the...