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They would like us to this place is shaken up. >> sandra: there is that, then, there are those who say this could take up the loyalty factor, that one would expect inside the white house. marie, earlier on fox today, you talked about your former boss, leon panetta, the head of the cia, saying the best way to stop leaks is to engender loyalty. i would imagine that this is not the way that they are doing tha that. >> exactly. my point in quoting my former boss is that loyalty is earned. it is respect. you don't get loyalty by asking someone or coercing someone to turn over their phone. it makes ...

Is shaken up. >> sandra: there is that, then, there are those who say this could take up the loyalty factor, that one would expect inside the white house. marie, earlier on fox today, you talked about your former boss, leon panetta, the head of the cia, saying the best way to stop leaks is to engender loyalty. i would imagine that this is not the way that they are doing tha that. >> exactly. my point in quoting my former boss is that loyalty is earned. it is respect. you don't get loyalty by asking someone or coercing someone to turn over their phone. it makes it feel like, as an employee, tha...

Candidate then donald trump and it was general flynn and it was senator sessions. those two individuals were on the plane, they were going to every rally, every stop, so when you look at the loyalty factor and we all know that president trump is -- he judges loyalty, first and foremost, and mike quinn, or mike flynn, general flynn, certainly has that tie with the president. so i think other people are making something that i don't frankly sign on to. i think he has the full confidence of the president. >> to be clear, you think the loyalty should, for lack of a better word, trump the idea that...

First of alling you have got three dynamics at play. one is you have the peter principle, which is everybody wants the bring their people up. but congressional staffers don't always work so well in the speaker's office and staffers a the rnc don't always work so well in the white house. second of all, what you have is a constant battle for turf. a constant battle for this kind of building alliances. and i thought that it was a great comment to say, yeah, that's what's going on. finally, you also have a little battle fatigue going on because it is a lot in 24 days. this presidency -- you have t...

Trump. >> andre? >> i think marc makes some great points here. there's not a thing i disagree with. >> wow, you all agree? >> i respect marc a lot. i actually am a fan. i would say in elaborating on your first question, there are a lot of folks that don't like the fact that what romney said about trump as well. there's a loyalty factor in there. big magnanimous is one thing. having a trusted confidante, someone that has been a trump supporter all along. >> on the other side the argument has been made that trump should look beyond loyalty. just because you've been loyal to him doesn't mean you ...