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He started out early on by saying the president and his explanations about why he fired comey, he said the admin's ration defamed me on the. what he said were lies plain and simple. very strong language for him. he talked about the loyalty issue and how he felt the present was asking him for something, he was refusing to give it to him. he says mueller -- >> bill: president trump is meeting with religious leaders in washington, d.c. then we are waiting for his private attorney to make a statement that he's been listening to off the oval office there in the white house. our all-star team has be...

Handled it, nixon essentially circling the wagon and ronald reagan getting rid of people, i would think that donald trump is not going to have this -- have any kind of loyalty issue where he's not going to remove people who have illicit ties or who have done anything wrong. i think he will throw them under the bus pretty quickly. whether or not, though, that indicates that he -- excuse me, that they have nothing to do with it is yet to be seen. >> do you see a real value in these public testimonies? we know james comey is expected to testify publicly after memorial day weekend. is it a move in...

Anything illegal. even democrats aren't accusing them of that even though some are calling for itch -- impeachment whatsoever. julie: there's no evidence of collusion between russia and trump administration and that remain it is case. let's remind our viewers, however, it seems that the contradictions do reflect a bit on the president's management style, he was the manager of a huge could you repeat the question, managing the white house and a country is a little different. how does that reflect on the management style? >> clearly his management style, he said it in the first few pages of the ...

>> not that the's anything wrong with that. >> i know you lampooned him for this earlier. there's experience to be gained. >> do you think you should be openly vying for the job and telling people that he turned down attorney general and he would be better for secretary of state publicly? >> i find all of this remarkable. donald trump is different. previous presidents had this buttoned down process where you didn't know who runner-up was because you don't want to embarrass someone that came in number two. i think he would be a fine secretary of state. donald trump has a number of people he can...

Turn out but if you are going to talk a big game about loyalty, stand up for the people who have been loyal to you and follow through. >> this is going to require i think both -- if it is going to go anywhere it is going to require both gentlemen to do things they have not done before. it is going to require both gentlemen to set some things aside i think. for trump it is clearly going to have to be he's going to have to overlook the loyalty issue in this case because he believes country has to come first. and for governor romney country has to come first over all the -- >> i got to leave ther...