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Up there, i guess my question is, why did that turn this massive turn of events. why that strike, and what ultimately is prigozhin's end goal here? >> i think he was talking about that before that strike. he's been talking badly about putin and the generals, and the s shoigu, shove russian minister of defense, and in all probability he's been talking about it and that was the straw that broke the camel's back. once he moved on rostov-on-don, a major city, 58th combined arms headquarter. when he made the turn up the m-4 highway, it's clear to me where he's headed to and this right here, right h...

It -- after it began, and he doesn't normally do that. he doesn't normally go on television and talk to his people unless he knows that everything is button thed up and urn control. that seems to be a sign of his concern here, maybe his desperation. >> i think he was very concerned. i think he was very concerned. when he saw those troops, that long convoy of armored forces coming up the m-4 from the south toward moscow, he was worried. he probably left moscow, jon. he probably left moscow, which is an interesting contrast when president putin and president zelenskyy can. you remember when ther...

I'm looking at the one on the right that you just mentioned from "texas tribune" i'm seeing four officers, two shields. one, two, three, four -- five long weapons, m-4, m-5, ar-14s, ar-15s maybe. now, you're telling me this is 45 minutes before the shooter was taken down? >> that's right. 45 minutes before. and they, you know, were lined up. of course, the shooter had an automatic weapon as well. they believed him to be dare caded in the room. what chief arrendondo told us earlier this month is that they viewed this as a hostage situation, less than an active shooter situation which might be g...

Lieutenant as the acting chief in charge. of course, the chief returned as soon as he heard about the shooting and he was in the community to help assist them in going forward, but in those vie cal moments when the gunshots rang out inside robb elementary we know that there was a school police chief that was the incident commander, no city police chief only a lieutenant acting in his place and you had county sheriff's deputies and border patrol officers on scene for some time before making that decision to go in. of course, the one person who could clear up so much of this confusion, josé, wo...

Advanced weaponry into the hands of civilians who -- and we allow it to happen with civilians who are not prepared to use the weapon appropriately. very much the case in texas and the ar-15 and the m-4 caribbean a -- carbine are almost the same fire. american soldiers do not use burst fire. they use single shot with good optics and training, and they are devastating. the ar-15 in the hands of a modestly trained or even novice, as we have seen, can be a horrific weapon. the round is a weapon of war. the rifle is a weapon of war. period. >> well, you have seen warfare close up in iraq and elsewh...