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Nearly as important as michael cohen is in terms of trump. john dean was not that close to richard nixon. he had some important meetings with richard nixon. but he was not his personal lawyer. >> some people view the john dean comparison as a potential inflation, as a dramatization. you're saying it doesn't go far enough to capture just how much michael cohen knows about donald trump? >> that's exactly right. michael cohen is much more intimately involved with the day to day activity of donald trump and was involved. nowhere near as close as john dean was. in fact, if you look at even the othe...

M manafort into the trump legal people. they know the focus here. they know obviously what michael cohen can say. michael cohen to his lawyer said that donald trump knew about that meeting and they backed off on this. >> on both sides of that. >> they know that the mueller team came down like a ton of bricks. he was not spilling the beans on what his client would say. >> a matter of the details. thank you very much tonight. meanwhile, sean hannity has vees for those who are witnesses and defy the fbi. we will get into that in 30 seconds. ♪

M manafort's lubying firm in ukraine. the journal reports mr. mueller has long been interested in the relationship between messrs, manafort and culimnic. witnesses believe investigators were seeking to determine whether mr. manafort ever met with mr. kilimnik on that trip. and if that's not enough, "the washington post" has a breaking news report later tonight that donald trump's company, the trump organization, quote, turned over to mueller's team phone and contacts logs that show multiple calls between the then candidate and stone in 2016, roger stone in 2016 according to people familiar wit...

Think, you know, manafort could possibly provide. and so when you put those things together, it would make sense that's something he is afraid of. and that goes to ron's point if trump then pardoned him knowing that, you know, knowing what manafort could provide, knowing that he's not cooperating, you know, because of fears of retaliation by the russians, it's just a really dirty, bad, ugly situation. you can call it a constitutional crisis, but it's just -- it stinks on so many levels, you know, beyond the constitution. it's just something we don't want in this country. we want to find out th...

Resumes, presuming it does? >> the resolution of this issue with the jury, i mean, what joyce is laying out here, is really the defense's best-case scenario. that's what they're hoping for, something that could give them the potential to get a hung jury, or if there is a conviction, to have grounds for an appeal. you have some folks in m manafort's camp who emotionally want him to testify, because they think he'd be the best person, making the case that rick gates is responsible here, not haim for the financial crimes, but it presents a lot of problems. both exposing him to questions from muel...