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Is not simply the validation of lying and cowardice and hypocrisy. choosing republicans on the ballot this fall is a choice to violate the oath of the constitution. strong words from a.b. stoddard. kim atkins, she's made some of those arguments passionately here, but it was powerful to see them written up today in the bulwark. >> yes. i don't just fully agree with a.b., because she is my friend and we share a birthday, but it's because she's absolutely right. look, even if you look at the 2020 election, which democrats should be doing, carefully, because that's what gave them their power in co...

Your list, neal? >> mccarthy. i mean, i would start with him. go sir, the others who've been implicated. but i think they have to go before congress and tell the truth. they're not above the law. if other people like you and me can be sieve peanut, why not them? >> you know that january 10th phone call, obviously was with liz cheney. a. b., here's what charlie psych said earlier today about cheney's push for trump to be punished. >> kevin mccarthy knows he -- knew that and he knows now that liz cheney was absolutely right. he led the lynch mob to take away her position. he is leading the campa...

The highest levels of american politics. it is sensitive. it is delicate. and it's high stakes, and we have it all on tape. and i think is going to tell a very different story about this period than the story that many people are trying to tell right now. >> so, a. b., if you're republicans at the highest level, who's been critical of donald trump, how are you sleeping tonight? >> well -- it's incredible reporting and it's incredible that jonathan is telling us that there's so much more, not only in the book but recorded. and it's one thing to play a republican narrative that the media is wron...

These. and now you have this. perhaps the mccarthy team could've just ignored the story. but out a no comment. but they now have really just made the case for that many more questions about the issue and why he had the change of heart. for him to come in and explain the evolution of his positions. we know the committee is already requested that he voluntarily come in and provide a deposition, or an interview before them. that red line, so far, has been that the committee is not going to subpoena those fellow members. but we'll see if this tape maybe changes that in some way. >> neal, talk abou...

Declined to comment on this report. meanwhile, nbc news reports donald trump junior, eldest son of former president trump, is expected to meet with the january six committee in the coming days. the panel did not issue a subpoena for that presidents son. and a source tells nbc, the final date has not been schedule, but it will not be this week. with that, let's bring in our experts, jacqueline alemany, congressional estimations reporter for the washington post. an msnbc contributor. neal katyal, a department of justice veteran and former acting solicitor general during the obama administration....