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Need. >> yeah. and there is this gap in the clip you played for senator coburn. he said we need to be responsible within our states. we have to deal with it in the state. have you been following some of these cataclysmic events? sometimes it is so big you need help from out of the state. this is a basic principle. that gap from tea party logic to the facts on the ground exist at a macro scale as well. we were talking about this segment, i went and took a look. what are the states that get the most aid? if you look at the list, the vast majority are red states like mississippi, louisiana, west ...

Deal. but we've given them $50 billion of our taxpayer dollars. >> neil: i'm trying to under understand where they're coming from. they say you can't look at it as a lump sum and average in dollars per job. you have to look at it as a commitment that expands opportunities and creates more jobs. you ain't buying that, right? >> no. i think they're hanging on. they got a taste of government money and this is kind of what happens on a macro scale when you provide corporate welfare. look at ford and how they're doing and compare them to gm and chrysler and most people would, in the future, go the ...