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History of racial and ethnic and religious division. that pits us against one another and makes us believe that order will somehow be restored if it just weren't for those folks who don't look like we look or don't love like we love or pray like we do. >> so, dave, does that exemplify, intellectual arguments can be made in 30 seconds, whether you're stumping, on a platform, or on a campaign ad. you can do that in 30 seconds. >> you absolutely can. as an ad maker who runs a campaign firm, we do that every day for our candidates. fred, the reality is president obama versus president trump is ref...

Try, there are democratic will on the committee. >> he's rather aggressive, pamela harris and diane feinstein, they're not holding back. >> and senators on the republican side can as well. >> the judiciary committee is a terrible assignment. you have a lot of democratic senators on the judiciary, there are six, looking for better community assignments. this is a petty argument fight clock. >> the word is classified, grassley later clarified his remarks, saying it's a lot of work for a man or a woman. >> okay. that's comforting to know. i just hope that some democratic consultant and ad-maker h...

Poor people more than anybody. they hate trump so much they want to hurt their own constituency. listen, as an ad maker, i can see those ads right now, trump is suppooing to make and they'll quote bill maher and say democrats hate p so much and don't have any ideas that all they want to do is go through hey recession to hurt people like you and your neighbors to get elected. that's some tough stuff. you're in an argue with somebody and out of exasperation and frustration you say, "f" you and that's all you got. to me it says it's completely out of gas in term of ideas. if that'ere s going to h...

I can't say that i disagree with you on that, mark. >> well, i look at it as a strategist and pull the lens back. this is the attack on donald trump, they have no idea. you have someone advocating for a recession, which would hurt poor people more than anybody. they hate tru so much they want to her their own consti as an ad maker i can see the ads right now. they're going to quote bill marr, and say democrats hate trump so much, and they want to go through a recession to hurt people like you and your neighbors. that's some tuff stuff. you're in an argue with somebody and out of exasperation a...

On board, other experienced people like jeff session who testified today that he was pushing people away from russian contact, they should have known. >> joyce vance, former u.s. attorney in alabama, it's nice to have somebody on from alabama when we are talking about a story that doesn't involve the state of alabama right now. >> i appreciated that chuck, thanks. >> we will talk about that story later in the show. >> tonight's panel, amy walter. newera contain, and brad todd is a republican strategist and an ad maker. amy walter, we sort of joked about this in one of our morning meetings. so ...