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Could be allowed to come up here with us. is that possible? can you just let them come up, please? >> so, there is all this talk of mag no, ma'am teres and him saying he didn't want them to be used according to this testimony by cassidy hutchinson. what do you make of that? is that something that could be used by the committee and look at what he said and what she said and try to match it up? >> absolutely. i think the key point to that from a prosecutor's viewpoint is the idea he knows there are armed people. he can't deny anymore. and yet he's inviting them to come in and that he will lead t...

I.e., they're not here to hurt donald trump, take down the mag no, ma'am ters, throw out all sense of security and protocols, safety that are involved in these types of events and bring these people in and then they can just march from here to the capitol. it just shows knowledge ahead of the plan at which we also talked about length in today's hearing about how he himself wanted to go to the capitol, which we clearly were aware of those intimidations before, but just the level of effort that he took and that continued. there was a route being plotted. there was a physical altercation in the v...

10, 12%? i think that's a lesson for members, because as people watch, whether it's on c-span or it's excerpts that we run or other news organizations run. members of congress are role models and should be role models. >> as is the president. >> as is the. >> just to understand do we know why -- obviously, that was a meaningful and good message he just sent but why he wasn't here? >> it was a security issue. they said it was a security issue. secret service couldn't come here. >> i think you're going to come here with mag no, ma'am terse. this is not an unsecure area. i should say there are ot...

Bad intent in a crowd? >> reporter: well, craig, you know, everyone that is involved in this security effort is well briefed on how unpredictable the pope can be and tried to do is get a better sense of the crowd itself by setting up these parameters. not just anybody to walk up and be along the open processions to see the pope and take pictures of him and a position to potentially even touch him. they have to go through mag no, ma'am tmag mono, ma'am ters ande of the things to make the security challenge so, so large is the ambitious nature of the trip itself. the number of events that the po...

Death penalty and the prosecution has to show she's a awful, can't be rerehabilitated person. the defense says she's pit pitiful and is worst saving, that's mitigating. we have to get past the verdict on guilt or innocence. >> neil: that only comes with first-degree murder. the death thing comes up in a separate thing. >> a second proceeding. >> neil: what happened with this case, if i could step back and get your help? i remember when it started. but then i remember how quickly it also cascaded into, for another news channel, just a mesmerizing ratings mag no, he - magnet and everyone started...