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Theater. all government really does is restrict liberty. so whenever barack obama wants to wield his magic sword of liberty, he just restricts liberty, but when they discover government does actual things that people like and need, let's rush to put it back together. >> i actually think it is deeper than that. when we talk about the shutdown and the tea party and the grand fight, it is not about the fight of government. it is not about the size of government. go look at the growth of government when the republicans controlled most of government. it grew, i guarantee you. okay? it is about what...

Which believes as government as a concept, one which believes the government is an important thing. the other that believes the only thing about government is the theater. all government really does is restrict liberty. so whenever barack obama wants to wield his magic sword of liberty, he just restricts liberty, but when they discover government does actual things that people like and need, let's rush to put it back together. >> i actually think it is deeper than that. when we talk about the shutdown and the tea party and the grand fight, it is not about the fight of government. it is not abo...

We're dealing with these people. the reason we have you on is because you overturned the banking system. you're like king arthur. you have the magic sword. what are you going to do here? >> well, i think we should keep talking about it. we need to let people know it's actually an issue. and rally around it. we need to get students mobilized to get past students mobilized and bring people together and get people to work on it. it's a huge issue. >> i agree. and the upside is the renaissance. if we solve all this, we'll have a renaissance for like the next 500 years. we might as well get to work...