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>> to you, horizontal is the right and the left. that's what you're saying. >> yes. look at how this whole health care debate came down. it ultimately was the moderates and the republican side, the real conservatives and the so-called mainstream guys, they had nothing to get involved with. this doesn't need to be about how. people are ideologically, this means to be doesn't work for the america people. that is vertical politics. forget all the horizontal stuff because the average american doesn't care. they want to know what my d?emiums go up. if i get sick and diagnosed with cancer, am i goin...

That's what you're saying. >> yes. look at how this whole health care debate came down. it ultimately was the moderates and the republican side, the real conservatives and the so-called mainstream guys, they had nothing to get involved with. this doesn't need to be about how. people are ideologically, this means to be doesn't work for the america people. that is vertical politics. forget all the horizontal stuff because the average american doesn't care. they want to know what my premiums go up. will my coverage be solid? if i get sick and diagnosed with cancer, am i going to be covered? that'...

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Like a bob corker or even a jeff sessions. >> jeff sessions or tom cotton. >> mainstream guys. they'll get appointed. >> there's opportunity in the big national security job, still, he hasn't made picks, to pick people that would send reassuring signals. this is not an area where he can simply reward people who are loyal to him. it's not an area where he can have fun picking interesting people. >> he doesn't need to listen those not with him at the beginning. there seems to be an element inside there and maybe it came in with reince's crew, an element that says we'll repay the paul seniors of ...

He figures they can knock off people like sharon engel and other whack jobs out there but he has to go after mainstream guys. that's what he's doing. big names. he's advertising them. >> the old seat in illinois where you have a troubled democrat running against an incumbent who makes up stuff about his own resume. it's washington against nonwashington character. he's doing well precisely because he's framing this as the same old politics that he's running against. that's the single narrow track that they have to survive this election. >> obama has to be very careful because i agree with richa...