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There, this is a story and people will continue to ask. >> rick? >> i think that's right. from a legal sense, the president may be in trouble. from a political sense, i'm not so sure. his base is just -- they're not going to believe this. they're going to say this is made up and she's making it up. i agree with josh. i find her to be credible. she seems credible. she tells a story. she comes across convincingly. i think it will go on and on. in terms of affecting elections, i'm not sure it's going to have an impact with everything else going on. >> josh, do you think it has a bigger impact on ...

Karen mcdougal are suing to get out of cof contracts. mcdougal is suing the national enquirer to get out of a contract that paid her $150,000 and restricts her ability to speak publically. she claims the president's attorney michael cohen was secretly involved with her talks with the enquirer's parent company and the company showed new signs of interest after trump secured his party's nomination. >> once donald trump won the republican nomination, you are saying ami suddenly came back to you with interest in the story? >> to keith. to us for the story. >> why do you think it was that it was af...

Lasting from a legal perspective here. josh earlier mentioned this question about evidence, text messages, receipts, they show in this interview a fedex receipt that shows that they sent materials to michael cohen in his official capacity at trump organization. at the same time, we have not seen this evidence that is apparently squashed by this non-disclosure agreement. >> yeah. we have had spanking, sex, lies, possible videotape. this story is good but it's not as good as the russian investigation. so then the question is, what's the relationship? we have michael cohen, who is the president's...

Tricky. we've seen donald trump apply aggressive tactics, employ aggressive tactics on his behalf to back down accusers. >> the intimidation thing we were talking about. >> certainly. i think that intimidation thing and that explanation she felt bullied and intimidated would probably pass muster with a lot of people. people would hear that and look at donald trump, yeah, i can buy that. and the other thing i would say is that like, look who you're going up against here, donald trump does not actually have the best, most consistent record when it comes to keeping his stories straight. you have ...

Talking about this off-set before we all started, this is a story the details of which we largely -- they all lineup with this in touch magazine story, ken vogel. however, this is still an adult film star on 60 minutes, a nationwide platform. it is in many ways what we would define as a seminal moment. the trump administration has not had many of these because they seem to fly by so fast. put this -- is this going to matter? what does this mean? >> short answer, i would predict, no, it's not going to matter and that's because of what you just said. we have a scandal of the moment, at every mom...