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Trying to figure out a way to push back. the washington post reports that some party leaders convened at a dinner meeting where much -- according to the post several argue for trump made it to the convention the party's establishment must lay groundwork for a floor fight in which the gop's mainstream wing could coalesce around an alternative. surprisingly it wasn't trump spotted immediately. carson wrote if this was the beginning of a plan to replace it with the will of the political elite i assure donald trump will not be the only one leaving the party. if the powerful try to manipulate it it...

Nomination. >> i imagine the jeb bush folks are -- >> that's a pretty shallow well. >> well, i was going to make a small joke. if you look at jeb and marco's numbers, there's not a deep well to siphon from any of them. to win the nomination.way to go- it will come to at the end there will be a candidate who is the champion of the angry people. it looks like last night it might be ted cruz. then there's a champion more in the mainstream wing of the republican party. you'd think that would be jeb or marco. >> i just wanted to pivot before we run out of time. carly fiorina, no one has been talkin...

That mainstream wing of the party pretty fundamentally if somebody who was considered fringe, the paul family is now in the mainstream, at least rand paul in the republican party? >> yeah, it shows the way the republican party has shifted since the bush presidency. and you're right to set that as the milestone. however, i do think that despite the fact that rand paul is in many ways fundamentally opposed to this sort of neo-con wing of the party he has at least made outreach to some of the folks. some of them will never accept it. to his credit he has not changed his views substantially. he is...

>> a lot of republicans just like in the primary, the republicans kind of rose and fell. rose and then fell. i think that the big issue going 2014 and i'm a personal believer and had this conversation in 2015 and 2016 is who's going to speak for the republican party? he's right. there is a big fight between the kind of libertarian wing and the more mainstream wing between chris christie and the ran pauls. i think that is -- who is going to own. >> we want to have somebody that owns the voice of the republican party until we have a nominee. so we're going to have to -- >> we'll have more moment...

>> that's when he went under water. >> what's interesting about that montage is that a lot of the republicans, like what happened in the primary, a lot of the republicans kind of rose and then fell, rose and then fell, rose and then fell. and i think the big issue going 2014 -- and i'm a personal believer in actually having this conversation in 2013 for 2016 -- is who will speak for the republican party? i think essy's right. there's a big fight between the kind of libertarian wing and the more mainstream wing between chris christie and the rand pauls, and that's the -- who's going to own -- w...