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Poker player. but in the larger sense, if -- you had a graphic on earlier about how the president is doing better among moderates. >> yes. >> if they end up with a final resolution of 35, $40 billion in cuts or something like that and it becomes finalized, the president -- boehner is then going to have a challenge from the right, but the president is going to win because he's going to be the guy who was around when the moderate deal was made. >> american politics is always based on who can get to the center when the vote is going. the president is racing to the center. >> he'sing dragged there...

Cuts or something like that and it becomes finalized, the president -- boehner is then going to have a challenge from the right, but the president is going to win because he's going to be the guy who was around when the moderate deal was made. >> american politics is always based on who can get to the center. >> he did health care, he did a lot of things last year, a lot of stimulus, a lot of stuff that helped him. but now he's saying it's time to go to the center. but boehner is saying no, he now has to go to the right. is that a problem? >> it's a problem. but the bigger problem is this. the...

Open, and honest government and i think the courts are going to look very carefully at this and i think they're going to realize these laws were broken. the legal fight is going to take sometime. when this is signed by the governor collective bargaining is gone and the only way you'll turn that around is go through the recall, get the majority back, put it back on the table. this is going to be a long, drawn out process. the only recourse you have right now is to go strike which is only going to get media attention, and the only thing you can do is strike. would you advocate as the minority le...

Open meetings laws in wisconsin. we treat that very seriously in wisconsin. i've always been proud of our state and reputation for clean, open, and honest government and i think the courts are going to look very carefully at this and i think they're going to realize these laws were broken. the legal fight is going to take sometime. when this is signed by the governor collective bargaining is gone and the only way you'll turn that around is go through the recall, get the majority back, put it back on the table. this is going to be a long, drawn out process. the only recourse you have right now ...

Us. i suffered -- i'm a little older than paul and i've been through a lot of these and i've watched -- they are cycles. this is a good cycle for us, and if we do get the majority back, we do get close in the senate, we've got to make things happen, and the one good thing about this is that it will force the white house and come and deal with republicans in a real way. they didn't have to deal with republicans because they had majorities in the house and senate. they will have to deal with us, either way, we have the majority or we're close. >> did you notice, guys, the white house announced t...