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Majority population. the majority is always going to set the rules. in our case, black people have traditionally pa bit actually, institutionally been disenfranchised and targeted. >> bill: yes, but i think it's a fact. >> more than any other group. >> bill: i have to run but i want to talk to you about this again. i want you to little doo a little research for me. i think it's a fact that proportionally young black men commit far more crimes than any other group in this country and i think that that's what is driving all of this fear on both sides. mr. burton, very good conversation. >> um. >...

My age and race. >> bill: i understand that does the fact that reported crime, not convicted crime, reported crime so overwhelmingly tilts toward african-american men mitigate this that reported crime, mostly by other african-americans, all right, is overwhelmingly in the black, young black man precincts. does that mitigate anything? >> i don't believe it does. i really don't. you have to look at the culture in which the -- this bias is held. and you have to look at the imagery of the culture and what the popular culture has turned out in terms of the representations of people of color. look, ...

>> bill: i understand that does the fact that reported crime, not convicted crime, reported crime so overwhelmingly tilts toward african-american men mitigate this that reported crime, mostly by other african-americans, all right, is overwhelmingly in the black, young black man precincts. does that mitigate anything? >> i don't believe it does. i really don't. you have to look at the culture in which the -- this bias is held. and you have to look at the imagery of the culture and what the popular culture has turned out in terms of the representations of people of color. look, whenever you have...

My age and race. >> bill: i understand that does the fact that reported crime, not convicted crime, reported crime so overwhelmingly tilts toward african-american men mitigate this that reported crime, mostly by other african-americans, all right, is overwhelmingly in the black, young black man precincts. does that mitigate anything? >> i don't believe it does. i really don't. you have to look at the culture in which the -- this bias is held. and you have to look at the imagery of the culture and what the popular culture has turned out in terms of the representations of people of color. look, ...

Majority population. the majority is always going to set the rules. in our case, black people have traditionally pa bit actually, institutionally been disenfranchised and targeted. >> bill: yes, but i think it's a fact. >> more than any other group. >> bill: i have to run but i want to talk to you about this again. i want you to little doo a little research for me. i think it's a fact that proportionally young black men commit far more crimes than any other group in this country and i think that that's what is driving all of this fear on both sides. mr. burton, very good conversation. >> um. >...