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Fully alarmed by donald trump. >> you know, ali, i find this moment so fascinating. because republicans are in cold and sweat over his claim the other day about keeping people from going to the polls. why? because it is a complete reprise of what donald trump accidentally did in 2020. there were run-offs in georgia, determining who would hold the majority in senate. mitch mcconnell was nervous about the president consistently challenging whether or not it was worth going to the polls in january. whether the fraud was so rife, whether his republican supporters should even go. what was the resul...

Is there something the federal government could do to stop this? >> actually joy in the freedom to vote act there is a ban on partisan gerrymandering. there is an explicit ban on party gerrymandering, a strong one that said if you jerry manderred before and this act is passed, it does not matter. you cannot seek a delegation put in place as a result of partisan gerrymandering. that's one more reason why the freedom to vote act has to be passed. it's one more reasons why democrats have to really save our democracy because that's the issue here. we can talk about a specific issue, you know, infr...

Filibuster to be changed or eliminated in the past too. is the filibuster a relic of the past, or is it a way to keep the minority from being run over? democrat senator of arizona says ending the filibuster would quote lead to wild swings between opposing policy polls, depending on who wins majority power. my next guest is a democrat. he served in the united states house of representatives from the great state of tennessee. he's a fox news contributor. and i like him a lot because i think he's fair. welcome to you, congressman harold ford jr. >> trey, thanks for having me. congrats on the show...

What do you think? >> i think the stakes are higher. i think that the attacks are greater. they're more intense. the republican party has gotten to a place where they are comfortable with the notion that they're going to be a minority party in terms of popular support, that will have majority power. we are on the verge of -- and i don't say this lightly -- we are on the verge of a political apartheid system in this country where a minority, again, not with popular support, but because of gerrymandering, because of the way voter suppression, the way in which our constitution has kind of broken ...

>> now, look, i remember, i was alive and in this job back in 2009, when you were in office. you got all this heat for saying that in too many ways, that we've acted like a nation of cowards about taking on our biggest challenges. and i was okay with it then, because either you take on the tough fights or you don't and you leave yourself open to scrutiny when you can't take on the tough fights. i feel it applies just as much today, mr. attorney general, as when you said it then. we've got the same issues and worse, and we're moving backwards at a rate that is much greater than it was in 2009 i...