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What kind of structural changes can happen so, regardless of party, they're basically counted equally across the country? >> it's not going to be easy because you have a situation with -- around the country, they're going to gerrymander the districts to ensure republicans have an advantage. one thing democrats could do that they're not going to, would be expand, make d.c. a state, puerto rico a state, add new senators and congressman. that's the kind of ruthless political gesture republicans would do, democrats won't do. without that -- i hate to sound so negative on a saturday night, we shoul...

If i was playing democrat, i was focussed on that fear again. i think it is a big motivator, for democrats. i think you could argue it did work to some extent. maybe it helps mcauliffe narrow the margins more than they would have been. i think it's probably the best thing democrats have going for them is the fear factor and it's a huge motivator. we all know that. >> and you can disenfranchise d.c. while you're at it. >> and policy wise. d.c. should be a state. it should be. >> i do think you're right and i'm going to have to bring you on another time because we could talk endlessly about this...

Equally across the country? >> it's not going to be easy because you have a situation with -- around the country, they're going to jerry mander the districts to insure republicans have an advantage. one thing democrats could do that they're not going to, would be expand, make d.c. a state, puerto rico a state, add new senators and congressman. that's the kind of ruthilous political gesture republicans would do, democrats won't do. it's hard to see how democrats overcome this. because you have these structural disadvantages. you refer thns gerrymandering, which is a problem and then the increas...

Democrats in 2018 and 2020 was fear of donald trump. if i was playing democrat, i was focussed on that fear again. i think it is a big motivator, for democrats. i think you could argue it did work to some extent. it worked in california for governor newsom. maybe it helps mcauliffe narrow the margins more than they would have been. i think it's probably the best thing democrats have going for them is the fear factor and it's a huge motivator. we all know that. >> and you can disenfranchise d.c. while you're at it. thank you for joining me. >> and policywise, d.c. should be a state. it should b...

Federal lawmakers to pass overarching legislation that would supersede a lot of the state laws we are seeing being passed which you alluded to. also, some of the other things, the rallies want to raise minimum wage, make d.c. a state. >> right. >> right now in terms of the voting legislation it feels like an uphill battle. you have the john lewis act, the for the people act, and they're going to a senate where there doesn't seem to be support without filibuster reform. what can marches accomplish? >> think marches accomplish a lot of things. i think about, you know, it was the '63 march that i...