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Especially for americans with family members. the horror of that guy who was just arrested for the killing of all those civilians over there was in his fourth tour, three in iraq, one in afghanistan. it does seem whatever the courts decide about his guilt or measure of guilt, it does seem to be what's wrong, the overuse of a very small portion of our population when the rest of us are not even paying attention. >> when leon panetta went over there and talked to troops in afghanistan, he said, we will be challenged and we will be challenged by war itself. i don't agree with leon panetta on ever...

Together in a way i've never seen done. all these pack torz making it easier for the average person out there who is non-military to say go ahead with this war. >> thank you, chris. that's nice of you to say and thank you for having me on to talk about it. i'm not an expert on the military, i'm not an expert on war. i never served. my father did but i didn't grow up on military bases or anything like that. this is a book about politics and our politics about war and about this feeling that i think a lot of the people in the country have had, whether you're left wing or right wing or even if yo...

Briskly sharp and important, which a way to put it all together in a way i've never seen done. all these factors making it easier for the average person out there who is non-military to say go ahead with this war. >> thank you, chris. that's nice of you to say and thank you for having me on to talk about it. i'm not an expert on the military, i'm not an expert on war. i never served. my father did but i didn't grow up on military bases or anything like that. this is a book about politics and our politics about war and about this feeling that i think a lot of the people in the country have had,...

Just arrested for the killing of all those civilians over there was in his fourth tour, three in iraq, one in afghanistan. it does seem whatever the courts decide about his guilt or measure of guilt, it does seem to be what's wrong, the overuse of a very small portion of our population when the rest of us are not even paying attention. >> when leon panetta went over there and talked to troops in afghanistan, he said, we will be challenged and we will be challenged by war itself. i don't agree with leon panetta on everything but i do agree with him on that. our reaction to afghanistan is horrif...

People are those who don't talk consequences or minimize them. it seems in the iraq fight and people who debate that, they're like, oh, it will be a cake walk, it will be over in a couple weeks. we'll get cheap oil out of it, all kinds of jobs. remember that, the arguments? it's always the cost benefit analysis that says go to war. >> it will pay for itself, is my favorite, that we will somehow reap some sort of loop in having it pay for itself. i think what's happened is we've come up way series of decisions, some them more craven than others, but all of them understandable to make war less o...