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How -- who's judging that. i think what he's trying to do, what trump is trying to do is just draw a clear line and separate what happened last week and he's going to come out tonight as commander in chief and then we should stay tuned for the next 24 hours because he's going to arizona where he'll be at the border and do a big campaign rally in phoenix tomorrow night where i assume we'll have a very different kind of performance potentially. so he's just trying to act in the spot based on what the environment is. >> that's such a perfect point. there it is. they're screaming go to break, but ...

Region, for pakistan, for a million other important national interests. i think president trump was led unhappily to the responsible conclusion. not as good as war troops which would have been better but president obama i think withdrew much too steeply. he deordered the surge, he stabilized the situation and then -- he withdrew and he was putting pressure on the commanders to go down further and further. which is why trump has to take it back up, 4,000 troops. i think it's an interesting thing, he deferred in the sense to mcmaster and mattis and kelly. and, you know, for those who -- i don't ...

Tough make a decision on whether the information of this particular witness helps you move in the direction you want to move in. i just think they knew what they had. they had some idea of what is on the tape and some idea of what he has to offer and i think it's interesting that the words of the campaign and cheering section that went on by mike flynn, those words are coming back to haunt him. >> about immunity and i'm paraphrasing, saying if you're asking for immunity, that's like saying you have committed a crime. mark geragos, just because you've asked for immunity, that doesn't mean you'v...

This characteristic of being able to be masked much better than the other methods of moving militarily. >> so obama administration today saying that they have unmasked it. yet the man you advise still given no public indication that they've persuaded. russia's made public comments saying you can't prove anybody did it. you advised -- >> he may well be thinking and consulting his senior people, which i would suggest is what you want him to do. >> is he taking it seriously enough, though. you've been around him. is he taking it seriously enough, in your judgment? >> i'm sure he'll take it seriou...

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