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About it before we got out here and started talking, we had to pick a person that could beat trump, we had to get in first, right? but he's done a lot, in what you're saying up here, we're starting to come together, we're starting to have these conversations, we're acting like mature people again. i can sit next to him and we can talk and not hate each other, right? you can't just hit reset, you can't just say everything is fixed overnight, you can't be extreme. we have to still cater to the old white guys. i get what you're saying and i feel it and i want to do it too. but how? >> i don't und...

I want to make sure we bring along not just all the democrats, we bring along republicans who i know know better. they know better than this. >> joining me now, cnn political commentator mr. bakari sellers, bakari, good to see you. >> good evening. >> you say joe biden is wrong on this. why? >> i mean, it's no doubt. you framed the question perfectly, let me just say. joe biden really didn't have an answer. i think i have a couple of issues with joe biden and his policy, one is on marijuana, the other is on voting rights and the filibuster. he's just flat out wrong. and i think it's okay for t...

I completely respect it, and i get your frustration. at the same time, i think there has to be the understanding throughout the whole country that change is -- the kind of change we're looking for, it doesn't happen overnight. and also some of this change, biden can't do. >> i would push back against my friends on the democratic side who are kind of pushing for the liberal left policy that's a priority. i think the greatest danger to this country is trumpism, more so than any policy. if they're able to suppress the vote, whatever policy you care about, if they're able to attack our rule of law...

Wounding that's going on every day that they go into work, every day that they turn on the news. you have members of congress, the majority of republicans that are saying, oh, there was -- it was not a big deal that day. it was a tourist day. then you have donald trump saying, oh, you know, they were hugging and kissing officers. so they're basically having their whole experience not validated for what it was. and then to have, you know, one of the most popular conservative anchors on his show saying these kinds of things, attack officer done, who was a hero that day, as well as all the other ...

They also claim to do and have done over and over again. it really makes my stomach churn. >> listen, so many republicans, sandra, are taking their cues from the former president and just pretending that january 6th wasn't even a threat. check out this new audio of the former president talking about the insurrection with two "washington post" journalists. this was about four months after the attack. >> there was a lot of love. i've heard that from everybody. many, many people have told me. that was a loving crowd. and, you know, it was -- it was too bad. it was too bad that got -- you know, th...