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How the van is driven, it could further exacerbate an injury. >> you'd make a great detective. absolutely right. here's a guy that's probably in a lot of pain because of the injuries. you can't sit him down because of the pain. so you have him prostrate on the ground. you're going to make him as secure as you could. how are you going to do that? the leg restraints. that's possibly what happened. the police officers need to come forward and say, look this is what happened. no malice intent. we did the best we could with the tools we had. they've got to actually tell us what happened. >> so ther...

Ross harris conducted the search himself or when that happened. only that according to these sources, police found those searches on the computer. here's what the other attorneys who were on the panel today can help me understand. i mean, they're the attorneys. if police believe that harris conducted these searches, that would point toward premeditation. but there was that downgrade of the child cruelty charge from first degree, which is malice intent, to second degree, which is simple negligence. they don't seem to correspond. >> interestingly enough, as i read through this, and you two are f...

She's so willing to kind of give up this first child before she attempts to assimilate him into her family and i -- i don't subscribe any kind of bad malice intent when she went through the adoption. i'm sure she wanted it all to go just everything to be wonderful but we're both moms. i mean, there are good days, there are bad days. there are days that you want to give yourself a time-out. i walk away. we'll talk about that off camera. i walk away. it's not like that being a mom all the time. the hate you comes out. >> of course. so what kind of black eye does this put on america with other co...