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We consider these sanctions completely unsubstantive, unreasonable. and very detrimental to the bilateral relations between the united states of america and the russian federation. >> that was the counselor general of the russian federation reacting to the sanctions announced by the white house this week. joining me now is congresswoman jackie spear, member of the house armed services committee. and the house permanent select committee on intelligence. congresswoman, thank you very much for joining me. i want to start with this news out of vermont. a vermont electric utilities confirming it fo...

Officials of this finding. >> send a clear message to russia. >> the discovery coming days after president barack obama announced sanctions against top russian intelligence officials for alleged cyberinterference with the u.s. presidential election. as part of the u.s. response, the department of homeland security and the fbi shared information about the malware and its signature with key sectors. all part of a joint analysis report that accused russian groups of being, quote, part of an ongoing campaign of cyberenabled operations directed at the u.s. government and its citizens. burlington el...

Why do you believe intelligence agencies believe they know who did this? >> one thing they can do is read this 13-page report in the homeland security, the fbi, which has a lot of technical data showing exactly how they say the gru and the fsb broke into the dnc, the democratic national committee, beginning in 2015. it shows you the malware code, the so-called signatures they used to get into these systems. look, if you don't want to believe this and you don't believe -- it doesn't matter what proof is shown to you, but the russians have asked for this, donald trump has asked for this, the peo...

Used by the north korean government. they say that, for example, the fbi found encryption algorithms, code, data that was included in the malware code that was telltale signs that it came from north korea. things they've seen before. they say that they tracked all of this traffic that the -- that was used, again, to attack the sony computer systems and it tracked right back to north korea. >> initially when this first happened a lot of voices were saying that it was likely north korea. it has taken time. we have heard that the white house and officials and the government was going to officiall...

Is there any way possible to even catch all of these digit criminals across the world? >> well, there's no way to stop crime in general. you know, as a single swoop-over, that would be really nice. but there are ways to track down different parts of the infrastructure. so we often do here. and there are organized police efforts and international efforts to either track down the people who write the malware code or the organizations that are selling the credit card numbers. or, in this case, the organizations that are actually using the credit cards. unfortunately, there's no one piece that wil...