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Northern district of northern california. she joins me now. i'm always curious about how the crime and the cover-up relate to each other in terms of obstruction investigations. so there's some underlying misconduct that might be criminal. and there's conduct after the fact obscure it. how did prosecutors treat those in this kind of investigation? >> hi, chris. thank you so much for having me on tonight. as you mentioned in your lead in, the reporting is that representative is gaetz being looked into for obstruction of justice. oftentimes we think of crimes like substantive crimes. child sex tr...

In florida. counselor, great to have you this morning. >> great to be here. >> as it pertains to this case, what would obstruction be, why is it important, and how would you prove it? >> good morning, john. obstruction would be telling a witness to mislead federal investigators engaged in an investigation. it's punishable with up to 20 years in prison, so it's a big deal. a lot of it has had to do with child trafficking. this shows you how broad the overall investigation is. it's also about witness tampering. it could also be about campaign finance violations. it could also be about aggravated...

Here? >> the federal government would have to show that he used means of interstate commerce. the internet, telephone. that's easy. that he lured people across state lines for the purpose of committing a rape or crime against them. there's a very old statute from the 19th century called the man act. it's seldom used. a crime to bring a woman across state lines for immoral purposes. they're going to have to show that he had some pretty fe n nefarious plans. which if he believe the 80 people that made allegations. they maybe able to do that. and maybe using the bill cosby model. in federal court...

You cannot call yourself a conservative and support him. and the republican electorate voted for him anyway. i've never seen in any party somebody emerge with a nomination with not just less support from a party infrastructure, establishment but more overt hostility that should kill any -- >> fox news wasn't even on his side until the very end of the campaign. hold on. problematic stuff here of the if he sides and goes over and starts working with the democrats, given all the out rages and controversies and all the times the democrats have said how dare this man act the way he does, charlottes...

Tweeting out they're now considering these terrorist incidents, matt. >> that's right. it would seem as though this would be kind of a definitive escalation in the police treatment of the situation. if they're describing it now definitively as a terrorist incident, that must mean that they have an idea of who the perpetrator was and that they're zeroing in on some level of what his motivation would be. i mean, obviously the thing that escalates this from a car accident to a malicious terror attack is the fact that it seems like he dismounted the car and then attacked random passersby. it seems...