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Thereof. one is -- dan's right -- there is a -- there are fantastic people and there is a lot of sensitivity, political sensitivity at the secret service now of like what? we had another problem? this is like almost untenable. the second thing that's going on, as we have reported over and over again, there is a huge morale problem because agents and officers both rank and file believe that there is a senior group of sort of official officialdom at the secret service that doesn't listen to them doesn't care about what they think and sort of is above reproach and can't be punished. >> do you fin...

And officers rank and file believe that there is official officialdom doesn't listen to them and can't be punished. >> do you find that? >> carol is right. carol and i have been on this network talking about a lot of problems. the fence jumper was a problem. she nailed it. there was a management problem, a kabal, small group of insulated managers that grew up in the service together that i think learned to make the same mistakes together. now having said that the new director joe clancey, who is a man in my opinion of impeccable character, universally respected in the secret service cleaned ho...

Happy to have someone like him off the streets. as a father and member of the community, it's difficult to keep that separation between my professional and personal self. i try to focus on the fact that he is not a management problem. he's actually, i'll use the term, he's a model confinement to me. never gives us any problems and does everything asked of him. the requirements of my profession is to treat him no differently than i would a petty thief and that takes practice. it really does. >> morris was arrested when he was 16 and has been at the jail for three years now. he is housed in the ...

Do you think democrats can really buck the president if you ask him to change the law. >> the root of this problem is in central america. >> what about this law? >> and dealing with this law is part of the management problem here, because one of the ways you stem this flow, and as harsh as this stounds is making sure that the people who don't have a right to be in the united states go back to their home countries as quickly as possible. this law that we have is part of finding that right balancing point and right now i think the administration is struggling to find the right balancing point wh...

They really need at the department of veterans affairs, kate, a turnaround expert. somebody who can come in there and really take this huge organization and take it in a completely different direction. a direction that is consumer friendly, that delivers on the product that it's supposed to deliver and can organize hundreds of thousands of people. and i guess what the president is saying, who is better than that than a guy who ran procter & gamble, a huge company. >> it points to where the president's head is on this if you will. just received a report from rob neighbors and one of the most da...