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And if jim mattis is handling the pentagon as well as he is, why aren't we seeing more of that at the state department? is it intentional on the trump administration's part to strangle the state department? >> well, there's certainly a problem here because tillerson did embrace the budget cuts, 30%. that is an enormous budget cut, and i think he was trying to prove his bona fides with a president he did not know or have a relationship with and prove not being a general that he could be part of the team and bring a management study to the table and take sort of the business approach to the stat...

There are only 4.6% of women ceos in the fortune 500 at this point. is that reflected in business schools? what is the participation rate of women in higher education in business? >> in graduate schools, business women make up roughly 40% of the classrooms. it's been pretty steady over the last ten years. a lot of the reason we think that happens is it's happening in the late 20s when women are coming in. that's a critical time in family development. and a lot of what we've been thinking about at the kellogg school is how do we get the knowledge to women at the right times in their lives. so w...