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The most delegates. now you have rahm emanuel in the hot seat. he is being tested now. it seems to me if they don't get the health care bill he will get blamed like the president. his stakes are not as big, but it is all about the numbers now. >> well, sure. there is only so much the white house can do. look at the voters behavior when the louisiana purchase went down and cornhusker kickback. they have to be careful how much they twist arms to get this bill passed. voters are sick of washington and politics of usual up here. i think the white house has to be pretty delicate and rahm emanuel ha...

The health care bill he will get blamed like the president. his stakes are not as big, but it is all about the numbers now. >> well, sure. there is only so much the white house can do. look at the voters behavior when the louisiana purchase went down and cornhusker kickback. they have to be careful how much they twist arms to get this bill passed. voters are sick of washington and politics of usual up here. i think the white house has to be pretty delicate and rahm emanuel has to be delicate about how they actually go about getting this done. congress has a mind of its own and they made very c...

He headed out on the road and talking to voters and doing what he does best, trying to sell them on exactly his policies at this point. it is not selling them on the white house, but the policies. we're going to see more of that. >> ann, you covered it in the campaign. it seems like he is happier when he has a clear cut number to go for. against senator clinton the numbers were the delegates, who is going to have the most delegates. that was simple. he didn't care about the anger or commentary as long as he was going up in numbers. is he happy the number is 216, he has to get it, if he gets it...

Them on exactly his policies at this point. it is not selling them on the white house, but the policies. we're going to see more of that. >> ann, you covered it in the campaign. it seems like he is happier when he has a clear cut number to go for. against senator clinton the numbers were the delegates, who is going to have the most delegates. that was simple. he didn't care about the anger or commentary as long as he was going up in numbers. is he happy the number is 216, he has to get it, if he gets it he wins? >> that is a good way of putting it. i hadn't thought of it that way but now you m...

Ann, what is in and what is out? there was noise about eric massa, but the thing about scott matheson, the brother of the guy out in utah what is okay, the sugar plums to turn the corner on health care? >> you're right. what is arm twisting, what is bribery? i think at this point they are going to be very careful about what could be perceived as trying to buy a vote directly. they have to get there somehow. they are hustling over abortion, over specific provisions that could be fixed in reconciliation. i don't think we know exactly what fair game is.