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Candidate sat in on an opposition research meeting during which negative attack lines were discussed and you expect the moral police? no. if these were indeed true and going to be the candidate, these were fair game, number one. and number two you're a former obama campaign staffer, do you recall the political article in 2011 that came from top democrats saying we're going to ferociously attack mitt romney personal and business background. >> i don't recall that, tony. >> do you believe accusing-- >> mark had nothing to do with it, i want to say that for the record. ask you this, realistically...

Secretly tape ripping ashley judd. msnbc, ashley judd smear tape. and mitch mcconnell tapes discuss ashley judd. and whack-a-moles on ashley judd and other foes in recording. and joining me is tony, and mark hannah adjunct professor at the new school and former aide to john kerry and president barack obama, gentlemen, welcome, it's interesting, two stories emerging, what did he say, is it news worthy and one is, did somebody break the law in bugging the campaign headquarters of the top republican in the u.s. senate? and let me ask you, mark, let me sort of flip this around. let's forget that h...

Chance. a lot of things at play. >> what is so interesting here, mark doesn't have a flat pemp personality but he is very solid. the national review did something on talk to all of his past employees and they all said, all he did was work. he slept on his couch. he worked around the clock. it was serious. but they all respected him for it. for that sort of guy to get caught up in this sort of scandal, i think you're right. his personality. he was so straightforward and said this is who i am and this is what i did and i think maybe he could survive it more than somebody else. >> you would under...

conflict of interest. this is where it gets complicated. o'mara became zimmerman's attorney after being recommended by mark nejame who cnn hired as a legal analyst. he's an orlando lawyer. he's also the law partner of the judge. the judge's husband. they referred him no mark o'mara who filed the recusal file today. he joins me now. thanks for joining me. earlier this afternoon you filed the motion to recuse the judge. are you confident it is going to be granted? >> yes, i do. the way their rule is set up is once the presentation is made by verified motion, the court should grant it. ...

the judge's husband. they referred him no mark o'mara who filed the recusal file today. he joins me now. thanks for joining me. earlier this afternoon you filed the motion to recuse the judge. are you confident it is going to be granted? >> yes, i do. the way their rule is set up is once the presentation is made by verified motion, the court should grant it. she could have an inquiry if she wanted to. i don't think she will. i think she will grant it and move it on to another judge. >> are you surprised she didn't recuse herself? when the judge reviews it, he does or she does, what w...