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Makes the republicans feel a lot better about themselves at the end of the day with the concessions they're going to have to make? >> i don't think the republicans have to feel better about themselves. i don't think the republicans have to even feel good about themselves. i think you give them a deal they can't refuse. and, you know, you said you always ask the question in all mediations and negotiations, what can you live with? and by the way, i can tell you in my personal life as a lawyer, as a congressman, as a subcommittee chairman, as a guy that's negotiated my contracts with general elec...

Rebuilding the economy. it's just -- remind me of 1996 of newt gingrich. remember, he said there are three things, you know, you can reduce the republican message to three points, you know. earn more, keep more, do more. and, you know, when you have jon meacham here and the greatest j jefferson, and what this country has done. >> and the movie lincoln. >> and why is the assumption of politicians that the only appeal you can make to the public is to give more money to them. to let them keep more money? there's no other appeal anymore. >> well, but joe, don't you think at this point we're still ...

Disciplined investment. mark's exactly right. it's all about, we're going to make the rich pay. and the fair share gets close to that. but it's always about what we're going to raise. the first part of the conversation is taxes going up. and i think people are willing to pay more if they knew they were going to get more for it. >> right. >> and that's what you kind of never hear. that's sort of the second way -- the third train car down. politically, this has always worked when tax cuts were sold as freedom and tax increases were sold as investments. historically when you look back at the poli...

Mike barnicle and mark haleprin are still with us as we take a live look at the white house. the co-founder of the "huffington post" arianna huffington. and associate editor of "the washington post," eugene robinson. great to have you both onboard this hour. >> arianna, you've talked about it for some time. the party system is so broken. washington is so broken. we're seeing democrats and republicans do the same dance they did a year ago except they seem to be even further apart. >> they're further apart, but also, there's something interesting happening. i just wrote about, which is if you li...

Date. now time square has become a bubba gump wimp company. good morning. it's tuesday. december 4th. welcome to "morning joe." with us onset, we have msnbc senior political analyst mark haleprin. oh, my god, please stop. just get it off. get it off -- >> pulitzer prize-winning historian jon meacham. "the art of power." >> so you know why i'm doing this. last night, mika goes to madison square garden thinking she's going to see one direction and teenage girls screaming and all that. >> yeah. >> instead, her car gets sidetracked, she winds up at the 92nd street "y," and there are a bunch of s...