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Union where our president declared he would become america's first dictator. >> we've never had a president with that level of audacity and that level of contempt for his own office. >> a contempt for office. the president's a dictator. he is not legal. no wonder we can't make any deals in washington. the right doesn't think our commander in chief is legitimate. joining me now are mark hannah and krystal ball. thank you both for coming on the show tonight. >> thanks for having us, rev. >> thank you. >> krystal, how can conservatives claim the president is lawless, but then turn around and say ...

Mainstream voter who will be voting in a general election looks at that and says you people have lost your minds. but that is what it takes to win a republican primary these days. >> and to really try, mark, to make the president. again, i'm all for the debate. i'm all for everybody taking sides. nobody is more passionate than i am about what i believe. but why do we have to act like he is not legitimate? why make him lawless? what are we feeding into in the minds of the american public? >> we're feeding into some pretty gross conspiracy theories i think, rev. and look, these three people that...

Moment. and i think he realizes -- and the republican party isn't just intent on obstructing the president. let's be clear. they're also intent on obstructing each other. there is an official state of the union response that is going to be given by this congresswoman, republican congresswoman. now you have people like rand paul are going to come out and give their competing response. you have mike lee giving the tea party response. >> no doubt about it. >> they can't agree on how best to obstruct the president. they're obstructing each other on how best to obstruct the president. it's ridiculo...

Without congress, i'm going to do so. >> i've got a pen, i've got a phone, and we all refilled his pen last year, mark. it seems like it's on. >> you bet. look, the white house's line is we're going to work cooperatively with congress when we can, and we will bypass congress if we must. if there is this kind of level of obstruction, you know, this 113th congress is on track to be the least productive congress in the history of the united states. i'm not exaggerating. this is more unproductive than the do nothing congress under harry truman. so i think the challenges we face in this country are...

This, mark, despite this political lunacy. one white senior adviser previewed a major theme of the state of the union, making this a year of action, he says. and i'm quoting him. he is very focused and very excited about all the ways we can move the ball forward if congress isn't willing to go along. he's energized by the creative thinking going into the ways to move forward. and this is something that the president has been hammering home all month. listen to this, mark. >> i've got a pen and i've got a phone. and i can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and admi...