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Feel he could guide the team and dowd was frustrated with the president bringing in new attorneys and it is a sign that the president is becoming more aggressive in his approach to the special counsel investigators. remember this past week the president brought in joe digenova, the lawyer who has espoused unfound conspiracy theories and mark kasowitz who stepped down in july from the legal team handling russia investigation matters but we understand kat kasowitz could come back into the fold. all of this shaking out as the president edges closer to agreeing to an interview with special counsel...

Increasingly angry privately inside the west wing about how his team legally is approaching the mueller probe and he's trying to take control of the administration wholesale, not just with regard to the russia legal team, but with people inside different positions in the white house. >> all right. so, robert, pull the aperture back. you have john dowd out. you have conspiracy theorist joseph digenova in. esteemed member of the washington bar declined a role. mark, the president's personal lawyer, once shunned from the team now may be making a reentry. when you take a look at the slightly bigge...

Substantial in his case and i think any professional lawyer working for him is going to want to arrange for the best conditions for this interview and i could see that making things more complicated even now. >> yes, maybe they'll start noegtsi -- negotiating over the size of the table. ben wittes, thank you very much. much appreciate it. up ahead, how will the dowd departure impact the investigation. he's clearly going to raise the decibel level on hitting mueller. we'll break it down with tonight's panel next.

Legal team for the president trump. people like ted olson are not joining. they're finding it hard to bring lawyers in because lawyers say we have conflicts. we're not going to be able to do it. it's too much of a political risk for the law firm. he's turning to pundits, people on television being allies. this is leaving the white house in a precarious position. who is the president's lead lawyer on his outside legal team? >> i'm turning to pundits. i know how dangerous that would be to put some of these people in a court of law. frank fa glues see, i want to ak you a question. he was afraid t...

The two of you, you have seen a lot of special counsels, independent counsels. when you look at the state of donald trump's legal team and what we've been discussing, what say you? >> the news of the day is donald trump has traded an incompetent lawyer who has bungled this thing consistently for, what as of this hour, for a much worse set of lawyers. now, let's just correct the record here a tiny bit. it's being reported as fact -- fact, john dowd resigned. we have no idea. john dowd says he resigned. we do not know whether donald trump fired him or whether he resigned. i don't know when we wi...