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And raises ominous new questions about the threat. joining me now is mark potock, the lead author of the report and a senior fellow at the southern poverty law center. thank you for being here. >> a pleasure. thanks for having me. >> according to your research, what was the real significance of the bundy stand-off. >> it was seen by the radical right in america as a huge victory. at the end of the day what happened is although the government came in looking tough with helicopters, police dogs and so on, these militiamen, cliven bundy's allies point to weap weapons in law enforcement. they look...

Victims of that kansas shooting. his dad, dr. william lewis coccoran, killed. spending the day with one of his grandchildren. they were headed to rehearsals for "to kill a mockingbird" when they were killed. the other victim, of course, is 53-year-old terry lamono. will talking about his dad, the special bond he had with all of his grandchildren, including reit, and he was an active grandfather still practicing, saying he should be at work today. he should be practicing, but instead he is dead and his sons saying that his father william lewis coccoran would have preferred that it just be him. ...

Will commence again if you try to take our firearms. doesn't matter how many lemmings you get out there on the street begging to have their guns taken, we will not relinquish them. do you understand? >> we will discuss this when mark potock joins us next on "now." my mantra? trust your instincts to make the call. to treat my low testosterone, my doctor and i went with axiron, the only underarm low t treatment. axiron can restore t levels to normal in about 2 weeks in most men. axiron is not for use in women or anyone younger than 18 or men with prostate or breast cancer. women, especially thos...

that. a packed show ahead. take a look at the photo, we have joe lieberman and christine todd whitman, olympic gold medalist dan o'brien and the infamous, is that the appropriate word? honey boo boo from toddlers and tiaras. >> "starting point" begins right now. good morning, happy tuesday to you and thank you so much for being with us. >> in our "starting point," disturbing revelations about the man police say is behind the deadly wisconsin sikh temple shooting, including word that an organization that tracks hate groups had been monitoring him for 12 years. police looking into th...

Federal and state authorities -- it's because of the strong interest in, you know, preventing crimes against members of congress and federal officials. there was a judge shot there, so there were federal interests there as well. i don't know how this is going to work out, but they will have -- the state and the federal authorities will have to sit down and decide who gets to go first. >> all right. thank you so much, nbc's pete williams. appreciate it. >> you bet. the southern poverty law center is an organization dedicated to tracking hate groups in the united states. mark potock is a senio...