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Some way be related? could these actually be the same people? we don't know. what we know is aryan brotherhood of texas is very much a regional organization in texas. just as the 211 is a regional organization in colorado. they both were heavily into methamphetamines and it seems to me conceivable they had some kind of alliance. i don't know that. but they may have essentially been dividing territory up between them and they may be trading favors in attacking the authorities who have come down so hard on both of their gangs in the last several years. >> mark potok, thanks so much for joining u...

States right now considering laws to nullify federal gun control laws if any are passed, in addition, something like 500 sheriffs mostly in the west of our country have said that they will not enforce any gun control measures so there's a lot of anger out there. >> it's an interesting study. mark potok from the southern poverty law center. one top ceo is joining the president in the fight to raise the minimum wage. we'll tell you who. advisor shod focus on your long-term goals, not their short-term agenda. [ woman ] if you have the nerve to believe that cookie cutters should be for cookies, ...

Mark, it's quite striking how the number explosion occurred, starting in 2008, before we got into newtown, connecticut, or any talk of gun control at all. >> it sure is. i mean, the growth has just been astounding over the last four years. you know, 813% growth. we've really never seen anything like this in any of the groups that we count. and as you suggested in your intro, what happened after that count was completed, as gun control talk began in the wake of the slaughter in newtown, is that the whole movement, tease gro groups out there have gone from sort of red heat to white heat. so we a...

Literature and the text, they see their communities as actually having a buildup of the kind of weapons that would help them deal with any kind of uprising or clash with the government itself. and so they do want assault weaponry. they do want anything really big. they sometimes talk about the ar-15 as a quality weapon, because you can put a grenade launcher appendage on to it. that's the people, that's the face of the nra today. >> mark, this one world government thing, do these people actually say this with a straight face? does anyone ever ask them if they really expect israel and saudi ara...

Growth is the election of president barack obama. >> right, i think the problem for a lot of the people who talk about common sense or reasonable gun control, when you look at this context of these patriot and hate groups and the election of obama, is that -- and this is difficult, i think, to say, but it has to be said -- that a lot of these groups aren't interested in self-defense weaponry. they actually see themselves, if you look at some of the literature and the text, they see their communities as actually having a buildup of the kind of weapons that would help them deal with any kind of ...