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Take, this kind of process, before the senate trial were to begin? >> well, it's a political determination that's going on now. theoretically the house could hold these articles of impeachment forever, but that's not politically possible. so they will be transmitted at some point once there is some understanding of what the rules of the game will be. and then once they're received by the senate, the trial really can begin imminently. right after its receipt, there's no need for there to be any delay. there's no procedures that have to be undertaken. >> so real quickly, when you said forever, y...

Process before the grand jury. you're determining whether or not there's sufficient evidence to go to a trial. so that's what we did in the house. we found sufficient evidence to send this thing to the senate for a trial. we were expected and still are expecting the senate to do its job. put on a full, fair trial. call the witnesses. we have put forth four witnesses that we think ought to be called. they may not want but two. but you cannot get zero. >> mick mulvaney and john bolton, those are among the witnesses. if they are not called, if no witnesses are called, as mitch mcconnell has said,...

Bringing witnesses, we aren't interested in being fair. we have a process. we ought to go through that process. it ought to be transparent, it ought to be fair, and shouldn't have any semblance of a rigged system. there's been too much in the history of this country about rigging courts, just going through a process knowing full well that you have a preordained outcome. we should not have a preordained outcome. >> and you're talking particularly because mcconnell had said that this president, you know, will not be found guilty if there's a trial. that there would be no witnesses called. that h...

Majority whip in the house. good to see you, congressman, and happy holidays. >> same to you. thanks for having me. >> so after 17 witness testimonies now, six hours of lawmaker arguments on wednesday, a house vote to impeach the president, the two articles have not been transmitted to the u.s. estima senate. why do you remain steadfast in this approach? >> because we think this process ought to be fair. there should be transparency. everybody in the country ought to be able to look in on this process and be proud of it. i do not see, and nobody in my caucus can see how we can be proud of the ...

Leaders behind the scenes reaching out to the white house saying, look, this is not how most of us feel. so i do feel that this is sort of an outlier, at least right now. we'll have to see if that changes. but if you look at the past couple years, the evangelical community has been very strong behind the president and i don't think that this publication will necessarily change that. at least right now. >> we will leave it there for now. happy holidays to you both. rachel, david, thank you. next, a standstill in congress over the president's impeachment. the u.s. senate majority leader says h...