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And truthful. certainly donald trump jr. will be asked about that when he comes before the congress in an open committee hearing. >> are you -- are people on capitol hill, are you in the cloak room talking on each other about this? >> we talk about a lot of matters and we certainly talk about the fact we want to be an independent, co-equal branch of government and we want the committees to get to the bottom of it. also, i was the first republican on capitol hill to say that the attorney general should recuse himself in this matter and that is what brought about mr. mueller's appointment. and i...

Dramatically change american health care, 24 million would lose coverage. you voted against that. am i correct? >> you are correct. >> you were there for the mark-up. you were on board during the mark-up but you voted against it. it is in the senate. on the precipice of being passed. it seems to me if writ to pass amidst what's happening with this investigation, and we later find out the worst, that public would be facing a legitimacy crisis. if you cannot tell me definitively that the president did not engage in conspiracy, that were he to sign a piece of legislation only to find out after wh...

That's true. i've been meeting with a group of members of the democratic caucus for about three years trying to develop some fixes for obamacare. nobody argues that the aca is a perfect law and it can be -- it certainly can be improved. we've got to deal with things like premiums and deductibles and how the whole system works and how it works with small businesses. so, there are lots of things that we can do. i have a radical suggestion for the majority leader. submit the bill to the health education labor and pensions committee, have hearings, have a mark-up, involve experts, let's talk about...

Millions of americans health insurance. look, i covered every mark-up and hearing of the affordable care act back when they pushed that through congress, a health care policy reporter at this time. this process is entirely different and democrats don't know what's going on. a lot of republicans in the hallways say they don't know what's going on. what we do know is that republicans have been sending pieces of this bill over to the congressional budget office the idea being that once they have a bill and have to send it over there, they'll be able to get a score that says how much this bill is ...

Reform after that. >> in your heart of hearts, that bill, that summary the president put forward a few weeks ago, could you show that to your constituents as a real bill? >> the proposal wasn't in legislative form. so i can show what the president proposed as a proposal that's on paper and different ideas reted to e corporate income tax rate, for example, reducing the number of brackets the seven to three and so on. but what i wouldn't do is present a piece of paymeper andy that's a bill craft. that comes out of the house ways and means committee as it completes its hearing and mark-up over th...