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Daniel ellsberg's revelations may well have contributed to the wrapping up of the vietnam war. these revelations are not going so far as we can imagine in our future. they just don't nearly rise to that level. so it's difficult for me to compare him on the qualitative basis to daniel ellsberg. even though the obama campaign and apple, i'll hold up my own phone, and apple, know more about me than, you know, perhaps even members of my family. and probably the government. what the government can do with that information is much different than what a corporation can do. they can make me buy someth...

Even members of my family. and probably the government. what the government can do with that information is much different than what a corporation can do. they can make me buy something or vote for someone. the government can imprison me -- >> they sell that data. that is marketing data. >> i agree. >> that is used to target products and services to you. >> i agree. i'm not saying it's a bad thing. i agree. >> they're making a profit off of it. >> i'm not saying it -- right. i'm saying -- i agree with you, karen. i'm just -- there is a distinction between corporate access to this information a...

Tipsy crow. >> we bring a lot of people in here and all we really focus on is hospitality and making sure people have a good time. >> frank miller is the manager. and he's discovered that making sure people have a good time takes a lot more than just a cold beer and a bowl of chips. >> we're not recreating the wheel with what we sell. we're selling the same products that next door sells and down the street sells and if you're in new york or chicago, everybody has bud light. everybody has maker's mark or jack daniel's. >> the world of maquetting today is really all about creating that john goin...