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Used. because if you try to backdate your receipts, the irs has a master list of chemicals in certain inks and you can demonstrate this is an ink from 1990, not 1977. >> so maybe we will have an answer. >> we are not going to have an answer in advance of this election because there will be no trial. >> as a result, what we are doing intentionally or not, is it helping muddy the waters around this accusation? we need to be skeptical but we have a preponderance of evidence at this point which seems to contradict. >> my role here is when you can fill a small school bus with women who say you abus...

Courts of appeals, neither one of them known for being particularly liberal, have found that at least two state, north carolina and texas, deliberately created their voter id laws for the purpose of discriminating against minority voters, not because there was a voter fraud problem in the state. so i think the president has really married his personal issue around the popular vote in this election to one of the pillars of the right, which is proving that there is widespread voter fraud and using that premise to engage in voter suppression and to intimidate voters. and i think that's what we're...

For being particularly liberal, found north carolina and texas deliberately created their voter i.d. laws for the purpose of discriminating against minority voters, not because there was a voter fraud problem in the state. so i think the president has really married his personal issue around the popular vote in is this election to one of the pillars of the right, which is proving there is widespread voter fraud and using that premise to engage in voter suppression and to intimidate voters. i think that's what we are about to see begin. >> what do you think they want to do with this nation wide...

Created their voter id laws for the purpose of discriminating against minority voters, not because there was a voter fraud problem in the state. so i think the president has really married his personal issue around the popular vote in this election to one of the pillars of the right, which is proving that there is widespread voter fraud and using that premise to engage in voter suppression and to intimidate voters. and i think that's what we're about to see begin. >> what do you think they want to do with this nationwide list? they're talking about collecting tens of millions, 100 million, 200...

Liberal, have found that two states, north carolina and texas, deliberately created their voter i.d. laws for the purpose of discriminating against minority voters, not because there was a voter fraud problem in the state. and so i think the president has really married his personal issue around the popular vote in this election to one of the pillars of the right, which is proving that there is widespread voter fraud and using that premise to engage in voter suppression and to intimidate voters and i think that is what we're about to see begin. >> what do you think they want to do with this na...