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International atomic agency and briefed on intelligence committee that iran is in material compliance. the president, though, in looking at not certifying was looking to issues of their past compliance within the deal and also the issue of iran's adventuresomeness and meddling in their neighbors affairs. he is concerned that iran is one of the largest destabilizing factors in the region. i think that was probably most significant as pect. >> the lack of recertifying this deal, do you think this complicates matters? you have former secretary of defense saying there is no strategy behind it and ...

As others have said, they are in material compliance with the agreement. so i think this has huge implications for us. one, i think with the other members -- there are five other countries involved in this agreement, the other permanent members, the united nations security council in addition to germany and all of them aren't going to decertify. if the objective is to put more pressure on iran, we're going to find great difficulty putting humpty dumpty back together again and assembling the international coalition of sanctions which is what brought iran to the table in the first place. another...

Since the joint comprehensive plan of action. former director of national intelligence james clapper joins us now. so, direct clapper, president trump today said that iran was violating the spirit of this agreement. when you had full access to intelligence, was that your assessment as well? and do we know, since the president took office, has that changed? >> i don't know exactly what that means. clearly there are ambiguities in the jcpoa, which we're sensitive to and the iranians are probably exploiting those ambiguities. but in large measure, as others have said, they are in material complia...