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To god and close to spirituality because of our humanity and not because of the accumulation of material goods. >> it's precisely that is that has traditionalists scared, because of his popularity and because of his uplifting message, the idea we'd start to see actual doctrinal changes in pronouncements about the family, that he could pull it off. >> yeah, of course. he's going -- he's been getting unbelievable press, you know, in a way like pope francis can say things that you know, might make your skin crawl if benedict said them. >> these are changes that need to happen. that is why he's po...

That are destroying humanity and having the worst impact on people who are the most poor from bangladesh to mexico and to the wildfires in california. and across this globe. so i think that those are all very, very positive changes, but i think that it's not that -- he's not popular because he is critical. it's he's popular because he's uplifting. and because he's positive and because he's telling us we can all work together. and that we all have a role to play and it's a very, very positive message of getting, you know, going to god, being close to god and close to spirituality because of our...

At least eight others -- there was supposed to be a christmas greeting. wasn't very merry in the message. abc's terry moran has more. there was more. a lot more. in scorching words he blasted the top officials in the catholic church for being more ambitious than pius. he said many are sick, suffering from a spiritual alzheimer's. they've forgotten, he said, their personal history with the lord. but there was more. a lot more. some cardinals practiced the terrorism of gossip, the pope thundered, powerful clicks, reprehensible he called that. some lead hidden lives. others had the disease of a...

The reason it drips from the campus, the liberal campuses we understand why that happens. but the state schools, they say no you can't pray. you can't put a crews fix up. you can't do it anywhere the state funds or they will right it to a school. >> don't say erosion of religion and put it o college campuses. it is too narrow of a group. >> i think he is right. at least -- >> i don't know where else it comes from. look, religion over time as -- it becomes less a part of somebody's life as they get more material goods. that's where it is coming from too. >> and we learned it is not even college...

Shameful. >> eric: and reason why it drifts down from the campus, liberal campuses, we understand why that happens but the state schools, they say, no, you can't pray, you can't put a crucifix up. >> bob: please don't put it on the coming campuses. >> eric: we have a disagreement there. >> greg: you know, look, religion over time it becomes less a part of somebody's life as they get more material goods. >> we learned it's not called campuses, kids in elementary schools, they are not allowed to say the word easter. >> i go to church and there are were more young people showing up at that church...