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Extemporaneous extemporaneously. they have to be concerned, because in these cases, and barbara may agree or not agree, but usually the vulnerability is by someone mystiquing and committing perjury. perhaps not even wittingly or intending to do so. the president's chances of doing this are so much greater than the average person because he's careless with the facts. >> your take on that? what are your biggest concerns? >> i do think, as john just says, his history of carelessness with the facts. i do want to point out if he makes a mere slip of the tongue, that is not necessarily perjury. perj...

Christopher steele? >> well, kay katy, this is a partisan referral by the republicans only on the judiciary committee and something that the viewers should keep in mind. and the other thing to know is it's classified. we don't have the exact details but i have been doing some reporting an talking to some sources and i have come away the impression it is essentially about what christopher steele said about his contacts with reporters. apparently something he told the fbi contradicted with something that appeared through another source and important to understand, too, that the republicans not a...

Priorities of the committee. >> joining us now, jill wine-banks, also ken delaney with nbc news. ken, let's start with you. what more do we know about this potential investigation into christopher steele? >> well, kay katy, this is a partisan referral by the republicans only on the judiciary committee and something that the viewers should keep in mind. and the other thing to know is it's classified. we don't have the exact details but i have been doing some reporting an talking to some sources and i have come away the impression it is essentially about what christopher steele said about his co...

When he asked whether or not he knew of any meetings and sessions says no. when the president is act, though the president is not under oath, was there any talk of meetings and he said not that i'm aware of. those things are legally relevant. if the president were to be put under oath and repeat that and mueller then had the evidence that you just described, then you may have a material misstatement and that would be problematic. >> it would be problematic for his lawyers to allow him to face questions because of that reason, right? >> if you're ty cobb and dowd, you want to avoid having the p...

I don't know if we'll ever hear from him. his lawyer sent that letter a couple months ago saying he would testify if he had immunity. most lawyers saw that as an effort to shield himself from having to go to court later on this. if you get immunity chances are you're not going to get it in court. you're going to protect yourself. are we ever going to hear from flynn? >> that's a great question. i share your desire to hear from flynn because there are so many interesting questions about him. why he did what he did why did he lobby for the turkish government and not disclose it, you know, and th...