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For one thing. some of the subsidies may be higher than the house version for some things. the president has called for more heart in the senate version. is that what he's getting? >> well, first, i think people are going to take a close look at the details that are not that complicated. i don't know what they've spent the last couple of weeks doing in these back rooms, maybe playing monopoly, i'm not sure. but if we believe what's in the discussion draft, the differences are minor. so, yes, medicaid has an additional year, but the cuts are much more drastic. and they would have a much worse -...

And they would have a much worse -- a much harsher impact on lower-income people. there still is going to be an ability more states to opt out of coveraging the essential benefits package. that means that maternity coverage and mental health coverage won't be covered. these are some of the issues that caused a lot of concerns by moderates the first time around. and i suspect they're going to have those same concerns now. there aren't that dramatic of a change to a lot of these pieces from what we've seen. >> and the guarantee of pre-existing conditions, we don't know how that will play in the ...

People or seniors. they've expressed concerns about the cuts to medicaid, concerns about the fact that this bill would allow insurers not to cover certain so-called essential benefits that were required under obamacare like maternity coverage or emergency room care and the like. then of course, this other element that we've been hearing a lot about which is the matter of pre-existing conditions. this new bill would allow states to allow insurers to charge people with pre-existing conditions more for their plans. that could put plans out of reach for people with a long list of conditions, every...

And possibilities of states opting out of minimum benefit guarantees like maternity coverage or mental health care. so it's hard to -- yes, you can say all of that. but already we had information indicating it was not on track for that at all. >> right. and that goes to where your health expertise meets the political side, which we can handle back in studio which is why the sales pitch doesn't seem to be on the level. and that's separate from ideology, whether you like obamacare or not, there seems to be a lot of lies about what the replacement would or wouldn't do. doctor and paul, i apprecia...

Guarantees like maternity coverage or mental health care. so it's hard to -- yes, you can say all of that. but already we had information indicating it was not on track for that at all. >> right. and that goes to where your health expertise meets the political side, which we can handle back in studio which is why the sales pitch doesn't seem to be on the level. and that's separate from ideology, whether you like obamacare or not, there seems to be a lot of lies about what the replacement would or wouldn't do. i appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> up next, on that repub...